Logan Bero: Hunters are conservationists. The money that supports programs comes from taxes levied on guns, ammo etc.... The supposed animal lovers contribute nothing but "feelings"
Lawana Neemann: Some talking points;1. Everyone hunts, If he eats, he hunts. He hunts by proxy, paying someone else to do the actual killing. Even if he is a vegetarian, he hunts, by proxy, to preserve the crops.2. Guns are not inherently evil, if they were, cops wouldn't carry them.3. 90% of ALL conservation funding comes from Pittman-Robertson Act taxes and license fees.4. The deer population increased from 300,000 in 1900 to 20,000,000 in 2001 due to selective hunting, and wildlife management paid for by the Pittman-Robertson Act, and if we just let nature take its course, the numbers will be reduced back to the 1900 number by starvation, so to stop hunting now would be to condemn 98.5% of the deer to a slow death by starvation. Does he really support starving over 19 million de! er to death?==========================================NOTE to theHoundDawg;1. Hunting does not involve the "unlawful killing of a human", so it is not murder.2. If you eat, you hunt, and you are a hypocrite to condemn others for hunting just because they are not wimps like you who only hunt by proxy, hiring someone else to do their killing for them....Show more
Bruno Galasso: I cannot condone your ownership of a gun, or the killing of wild animals for sport, and if your Dad feels like me there will be nothing you can say which will make him change his mind. Sorry.
Mel Crapo: Crosman Premier FT .177 10.5 grain.
Myron Leftwich: Your were right to bring the DNR into it. Animal populations are monitored by them. Yes, animal populations will take care of themselves, over population will be taken care of through starvation and harsh winter conditions. I believe it is better and more humane to allow hunters to harvest a proper proportion of an population to en! sure that the weaker once have a better chance of getting enou! gh food and making it through winter. Animals are not people, they are not going to organize a committee and see how they can go about increasing food supply. ...Show more
Roxane Leathers: explain to him that it is your right to choose and not his place to make judgement. Maybe you were not even planning to shoot any animals? maybe you were interested in the shooting sports of trap or skeet or clays? Whatever the case may be I have very little tollerance for people that jump to conclusions that fast when they dont even know the facts to start with. I would never say a bad thing about your dad because I have never met him and I do not have anything to back up my statements. Like this, your dad could be wrong about hunting in the ways that he does not understand modern science and how it has played a major role in conservation just the same way hunters do. He may be set in his ways, but in the quiet of his own space he will have to sort out what is right and what is wr! ong. I personaly would not give it another thought, he should allow you to find your own way and respect you for that. So good luck and welcome fellow hunter/shooter!...Show more
Wilburn Denice: Hunting big game with a dog is a good way to get it killed.Preadators almost always go for the weakest target.Unless you are also walking around a duck,a dog is just bait.
Cristopher Gavalis: Beat him over the head with it. That should get his attention.
Matt Tiry: pealover17 -I don't think there's anything you can say that will make him change his mind. However, it isn't true that nature takes care of creature balance. The way man has changed the landscape, nature can no longer keep the balance. My father was onced hire to kill wild doe in an area of Virginia because of over-population. He said it was terrible to see because the doe and offspring were thin as rails from starvation. that's the worst of it; when the land can't support their diet or water requ! irements it becomes so sad. It happens much more than one realizes. Mo! re and more as civilization encroaces on the wilderness, animals really have no where to go. As their habitat shrinks, their population doesn't immediately follow suit. I don't know if you'll find any pictures on the net or in the library that shows the effects of animal over-population, etc. but that might make a big impression.Now if I may humbly ask you to answer sincerely, did you really buy a shotgun to help reduce animal population? Even some hunters claim that why they hunt, but deep down, they really do it for the meat or the sport. It may sound like symantecs, since both reasons do help, but it's not the reason these two groups hunt. They would continue even if the population were balanced. So, are you honestly out to reduce population, or out to enjoy the sport?Since Dad was honest, you should be nothing less than honest as well. And if your motives are sincere, then I beg your forgiveness. but in the sense of honesty, I had to ask. good luck, and maybe ! you and dad may just have to agree to disagree...Show more
Teodoro Lamond: sounds to me, that your dad is a read dork when it comes to guns, .my suggestion would be, for you to ignore his ranting about guns.if you are of adult age & don't have to depend on him for your livelihood, he has NO right to get on your case about the shot gun
Cristopher Gavalis: Is your dad anti-gun or anti-hunting, because the two are not always the same thing. Hunting can be argued to have a very positive effect on conservation of species, but at the same time your father makes a valid point about nature taking care of itself. If a species of animal begins to overpopulate, over time it will either go extinct or adapt to change its needs, be it through less birth or less food needed to survive, or a different or new species will become it's predator. That's just basic evolution. But because that takes many many generations, hunting is a good way to "control" populations, thereby sa! ving themselves. I don't want to give you advice that will come off as! you sounding like a smartass to him, but a point you could make is that because of humans' disproportionate effect on ecosystems everywhere, it is necessary to do things like this instead of implementing population control on humans. Because, in a deep, macroscopic way, the only way to make the earth better for animals is for humans to revert to being true animals themselves, and that isn't going to happen without some cataclysmic event happening. So I don't know if this could convince your father, or anyone really, but if both of your arguments are about the bigger picture (as in, artificial or natural population control), then I can't figure another way to argue it. If your dad is against hunting he must be against animal farming (which is arguably more cruel and unnatural), and if he is not you could use that to your advantage. However, when trying to debate a point it is important you don't downplay the other's feelings about their side, because that will cause the! m to become defensive and they may stick with their argument even in lieu of evidence against it. So if he isn't against animal farming, don't call him an idiot hypocrite or anything that would cause him to become extremely defensive of his position. The best way to make people change their minds is to let them believe that they have changed themselves, not that you have changed them (even though that's what you're trying to do)....Show more
Rashad Marecki: It baffles me that any father wouldn't want their daughter to be armed...
Eulah Hugill: The problem is that we have already interfered to a point where we cannot simply take ourselves out of it. It's now our responsibility to be good stewards of the land.
Ramon Dahlheimer: Why so and for what reasons???
Dick Baumgarten: CROSMAN .22 Premier Hollow Point... Reasons are in your other question asked.
Ron Keliipio: I don't think killing large game is a great idea for your dogs health. Training ! it to find people is a matter of very dedicated training
Jacinta ! Moitoso: Anyone who says that the DNR is useless is either not educated enough on the matter to have the discussion with or is responing with emotionEither way the conversation is uselessWe all want our dad's to be proud of everything we do but sometimes we have to accept that sometimes they are just wrongIt's not worth the riftLeave it alone and let be part of your life he doesn't get involved with...Show more
Charissa Riley: ir=t helps so animals don't over populate.
Ariel Arons: "He said nature takes care of itself without us interfering,"You can remind him that we are part of nature.....Ask him if he'd rather die slowly by starvation or almost instantly by gunshot. That's the choice many animals have when there are too many of them for the land to support. Hunting seasons are set to allow the proper number to be killed to reduce the population to a level that the land can sustain. ...Show more
Francis Stickle: what i mean is big game like deer, moose, ! racoon, and things like that. nothing dangrous like lions, maybe tracking bear but not getting close
Riley Migl: just use SOUND facts, IE: starvation, management .........The shoting sports itself. Good luck, Two thumbs up for a woman with a gun.....
Alvaro Oare: your dog may be trainable to hunt but because it is half german shepard it would be a great herding dog,but if your pup knows your the boss you can train it to hunt and do anything:)
Sang Hanafin: can you say United States Socialist Republic USSR.this is the way to outlaw guns. the Constitution is next.
Idell Dufort: My new Chinese B3-1 I shot over 120 times today, it didn't break and its actually pretty accurate. I'm gonna get a slightly better B3-1 .22 cal pellet gun and have it modified so its co2 powered, uses a detachable clip (clip, not magazine), and is a true semiautomatic. the B3-1 is highly customizable and they are just $20 at the monthly local gun show. I think I can get ! the mods done for under $200. everything besides the co2 I can do mysel! f. the Chinese b3-1 I have now its shoots .22 (.195) cal pellet at around 650 fps, effective hunting range of around 35 yards, decent for hunting, pest and target. It was $20. What I don't ;like about it is the hard to quickly insert pellets in breech, and the difficult to cock lever. It'll be nice if it's like my marlin 925r .22lr rifle. a true semiautomatic just like a real rifle unlike the crosman 1077 reduces work on the fingers and inaccuracy between shots....Show more
Davina Shindler: I suggest that you don't bother.He won't want to hear it.If he's concerned about "cruelty', ask if he's a vegetarian.Does he know where his veal cutlet comes from? eg.It will only hurt his self image and his feelings.Let him be.The argument, if you decide to use it:We've eliminated so many predators, and changed the environment so much, (mostly loss of habitat), that without hunting, those birds would be in serious troble....Show more
Peggy Sandefer: it depends on the individ! ual dog. I have hunted with hounds for a good bit of my life also bird dogs and used retrevers...I have seen dogs from great lines not hunt, and potlickers be great dogs. Let the dog determine what you hunt, I would think he might make a decent sighting /baying dog, just a guess though. He might make a decent sight hound for coyotes also (wolves go out of their way to kill them).
Donnie Bolio: rws super domes are economical and accurate in most my guns.
Jacinta Moitoso: Could always tell him that you don't hunt for no reason, you hunt for fresh food, and you are putting food on your plate with-out wasting tons of money.In some places, hunting is good because it helps lower the population increasing food for other animals to actually survive the winter climates because food can become hard to find.I hope he's a vegetarian because if he isn't, he is such a hypocrite. Meat doesn't grow off tree's, people farm them. Your just taking your router with cheaper meat (! hunting) and survival. Also, yeah nature takes care of itself but so do! n't humans when they need food. It's not a tree at world, it's a man eat man world. He needs to get over the fact that you want to do something. ...Show more
Buddy Ardd: I don't know the laws for all the states but I think the only things you can legally hunt with dogs are mountain lions, birds and deer in a few states. I don't think people generally use German Shepherds. And they just use the dog to flush out the animals so it can be shot or to retrieve birds. Anything else would be illegal.
Rayford Speziale: I've got 3 words that are a good reason to hunt: Chronic Wasting Disease
Lissette Semon: Here is my argument on how hunting is good for the environment:It is simple, when you harvest game, it feeds you and you do not need buy meat at the store.By hunting, you do not depend on the meat industry.(I don't mean to sound like a PETArd)The meat industry is actually very harmful to the environment on so many levels.1. Take into consideration the fact tha! t grain (feed) has to be planted on a field that probably used to be woods once upon a time.1a. Perhaps the fertilizers and tractors and machines used to plant and harvest run on fossil fuels, they pollute.(A significant amount of grain harvested is spent on feedlots, this means there is less for everyone else to eat)2. Livestock is raised en masse, so things like wastes and excrements accumulate very fast, this = more pollutants.2a. More land is developed in order to sustain the mass livestock on cattle ranches so there is less virgin land.2b. Extremely large amounts of water will be needed to sustain the livestock, consequently this water would be taken out of the local ecosystem.3. Transportation of livestock (to grocery stores, restaurants, slaughter houses, etc. depends most likely on trucks fueled by diesel, a fossil fuel which pollutes.4. At slaughter houses large amounts of waste is collected from animal carcasses, again this waste accumulates.5. Imagine how much ! energy is spent on refrigeration and utilities at meat processing facil! ities.6. Imagine how much waste is spent on packaging components when the meat is marketed.There are probably way more factors that I could not think of at the moment. Anyway, when you hunt, you do not depend on the meat industry for your protein needs. Also, fees for game tags are used for conservation and forestry concerns, and other things like that.This point of view is just from the environmental perspective.Take into consideration also the ecological and biological point of view as well. (i.e. population control, natural selection, etc.)...Show more
Rose Krouse: "The Politically Incorrect Guide To Hunting" - Frank Minterhttp://www.amazon.comThis book is filled with facts/information to refute the illogical arguments of the anti-hunting crowd. >>He said nature takes care of itself without us interferingSince when are humans NOT a part of nature(rhetorical question)...Show more
Cuc Gire: am i reading this right ? we would no longer be allowed to think??
Jonathon Labonne: Don't worry about it. Your dad will get over it. Take him to the shooting range and let him bust off a few rounds. That usually changes the tune of anti-gun hippies.
Faustino Mellerson: this law slipped by me somehow. does anyone have any links etc. or comments?
Oscar Wieland: Animals were put here by god for humans to eat. Take your dad to get a burger, then ask him how does he feel that a cow died for him to eat that meal? Hunting is one of two things: a sport, or someone trying to eat.
David Kuper: i want him to be able to track well by giving him something to sniff and then he goes and finds the thing or person that has that sent...like on the movies....i also want him to hunt big game is that possible, he is already seven months old.
Donte Schoenhals: My mom is the same way. But she can't do anything becasue the guns are my property. Actually my aunt still in Chicago WANTS a police force to start breaking down doors and! take them by force killing anyone who resists. You cannot argue with t! hat kind of mindset. My entire family with the exception of my oldest uncle on my dad side is anti-gun. I'm the only one in 4 generations on both sides of my family withthe exception of my uncle to of owned guns. The absolute first on my mothers side. If he really thinks killing animals is bad... Does he eat meat? If so he's a hypocrite. A bullet kills the animal instantly. A slaughterhouse they electrically shock the cow, while stunned they hoist it by the hinds legs, slit it's throat and let it bleed to death while probably conscience. Tell that next time he buys steak at the store....Show more
Star Gollnick: tell him it will be good for the conservation of you and your families well being and property when someone breaks into your house in the middle of the night. Oh and you don't necessarily have to kill things if your a gun owner. there's also competition shooting, plinking, and target shooting at ranges.
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Lashawn Zabarkes: You can't defend your points because your dad is right.
Cordia Fivecoat: Save your breath; the anti-mentality mindset is unalterable by mere mortals. Here in Montana the goodie-goodies got hunting deer cut back a number of years ago; the dear had a mild winter and multiplied like hangers in a closet. They were roaming in towns, eating lawns, gardens, plants on porches, yada. Then mother nature intervened and smote them with brucillocis and there were dead deer laying around everywhere and cattle became infected with it and died and so on. Needles to say, hunting again fell into favor as a way of controlling the overpopulation, and it worked. A number of years ago Idaho poisoned a majority of the coyotes; rabbits bred like rabbits and became a plague. The list is endless; just like the tree huggers don't want us to cut trees in the us; we lose jobs and import subsidized lumber fr! om canada. What happens to our overgrown forests?; bugs blight the tre! es, they die, we have fires, jobs are lost, the list is endless. Living proof that all squirrels don't live in the forest. ...Show more
Dorethea Beaston: Don't waste your breath..... The big picture is you have a constitutional right to own a firearm.. (assuming your here in the USA).... You do not have to explain yourself....
Sylvie Snetting: the Ruger Air Hawkcause its a Ruger
Antonette Shappy: You must be of legal age and seem to be out of his house. Listen to him and then do as you please. I think this is more a problem of "Daddy's little girl" is grown up. I was surprised when my daughter bought her first gun, it was a big mistake and she did not ask my advice. The mistake was what she bought, after a year she sold it and bought one that was reasonable. If she had asked, I would have told her a Raven .25 was not worth the money. She seems happy with her ladies S&W in a .45. Listen do daddy, do what you want. Do not let him dominate you unless you! are living under his roof. If he has child proofed the house, don't move back in....Show more
Myron Leftwich: Well, Between my friend and I , we own 10 shot guns. He shoots for sport and I shoot for target and protection. I could shoot at a person but I can`t shoot at an animal. I can understand that we have to keep the population down but I won`t be the one to do it. Just my opinion.
Jodie Capella: Hello,1. Hunting is is a great way to keep the population in check. If not the animals will starve an meet a very, very unpleasent DEATH. Humans have taken up so much space and habitat that animals hae no place to go. And the ANTI'S don't want to clean up there mess by hunting and preservation. They woul rather hae the animals starve start comming into towns and cities for food because there population has exploded. So tall your DAD if he doesn't want Bears,Moose,Deer...ECT. comming into his house to get some grub and accidents will go through the roof as far! as people hitting them with there cars. Hunting keeps the population ! in check and has for many years. And I would find out why your dad is so anti gun. I know I want to be my first line of defense not the cops they wouldn't get there in time. Ask your Dad if he would rather watch as his loved ones are violated or do something about it! I know I never want this on my conscience! " I could have done something" But I choose not to protect my family and now look...Does your dad really beleie that the cops will get there in time? I would feel like a COWARD if I sat an watched my family get hurt because I didn't want to tkae the time to research the other side of the gun issue. Honest hard working AMERICANS have the right to protect home and hearth! Some people spend so much time finding things wrong with gun ownership they neer look at how many men women and children hae been saved becasue they decided that they were going to be there FIRST LINE OF DEFENSE! Ask your Dad if he would rather you be dead or alive becasue you decided to pro! tect yourself. If people like your father hd there way we would all be unarmed and the only people that ha guns would be criminals! Your dad needs to look at the other SIDE and the STATS! I lie in Maine and crime up here just doesn't happen ery often. And the criminals know everyone is armed in there house and on the street. It makes a much safer enviroment when the criminals are not the only one's ARMED! Congrats on your new shotgun now go out and get a Glock! You need to talk to your ad and have him look at both sies of the issue find out what bothers him about guns and hunting and then hit him with the facts. Animal disease and attacks would sky rocket! Animals would suffer much,much more if we didn't thin the HEARD!...Show more
Kimberlee Bowdish: Yes when it was up for a vote I contacted my senators both of these jokers voted for it. People, we are the watch dogs, HR 6257 introduces the "Gun Ban" again. All efforts of congress over the past 100 years is t! o make us good little worker bees and allow more power to go to the pow! ered elite in DC in both parties. The time will come to heed these words: " --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. â€" "The words that s! end chills up my spine and should all of usObject evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their RIGHT, it is their DUTY, to throw off such Government,...Show more
Shemeka Laker: It is time to start taking him to obedience classes.If he is going to do any of the things you want him to do, like hunt and track, he needs to understand your requests. you need to learn how to request in ways that make sense to him.It is unlikely you will ever be allowed to legally hunt moose with your wolfdog. Maybe wild pigs though....Show more
Alden Sabio: I suggest taking him to lessons, that should help the problem.
Emile Midgley: Gamo Shadow series. Because I have one of the first ones and it is one of the most accurate rifles I own I have both powder and air so if holds it's own.
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